Talk: Fergal Maguire

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the article doesnt mention a single scene with him in it, which makes me wonder, was there even one? the actors wiki and imdb pages make no mention about this show and i honestly dont recall ever having seen or heard of a a fergal maguire before his death. was he really ever on this show? perhaps that writers intended to have him included with marc silcock planned to play his part but it just never happened. if there's even so much as one scene with him, where is it? id like to check it myself --87.172.255.75 17:22, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

As it says on his page, Fergal was never identified as a proper character until his death was announced. In Series 1 and 2, a trio of Maguire brothers, who were not Jamie, Shane and Micky, would appear. Its safe to assume that one of those would have been Fergal. Both he and the other two brothers were never really proper characters in the show. I don't know why the writers neglected them, but they did. --Fenrir51 (talk) 19:21, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it's pretty safe to assume that Fergal appeared, only as a background character though. Donny and Joey appeared, had a tiny amount of dialogue and were actually credited. Whereas there was a third Maguire brother that was never mentioned in the credits. Like in Episode 206 for instance. It could pretty much only be Fergal unless it was Shane or Micky being played by a different actor, though I highly doubt that. -- Lyco499 (talk) 23:45, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

but that's just speculation. regardless, my point (which i forgot to make) was that marc silcock is listed as having portrayed fergal, yet there's no source for that. his wikipedia article is listed as a reference, but wikipedia itself is not a reliable source and the part where it claims he portrayed fergal lacks a reference. furthermore, imdb which has the habit of including everything makes no mention if this. i suggest either a reliable source is found to back the claim that he portrayed fergal or we remove that --87.172.255.75 01:07, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Not that we have much choice but to speculate when it comes to background characters. The three lads who were chasing Ian around in Episode 3 of Series 1 were described as Mandy's brothers, so its a fair assumption that one of them may have been Fergal. Plus, only Mark Silcock's image (a photograph) was provided for Fergal, as he clearly wasn't the same actor who portrayed one of the then-unnamed Maguire boys in the early part of the series. Fergal wasn't intended to be a major character in the series anyway. --Fenrir51 (talk) 19:43, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

What photograph Fenrir? Do you mean a photograph of Fergal appeared in the show and that the photo was of Silcock? If that's the case then it explains everything, if not then I'll remove his name from the page. I have no memory of Fergal ever being clearly identified (though as I said in my last post, it's not really speculation but logic to say that Fergal was one of the 3 Maguire boys as we know how many Maguire children there are and every one of them is acounted for except for that one who doesnt appear in the credits and Fergal is the only one left) the only thing I recal is the memorial plaque on the page and his tomb stone. And you don't have to tell me about Wikipedia being a bad source, the amount of crap on there, including when it comes to Shameless, is something I've commented on on here before. Especially when it comes to ages and dates. IMDB is better but still not great, their info is still user submited on the whole and though they tend to check more often than not, mistakes still make it through. -- Lyco499 (talk) 02:07, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

In Episode 3 of Series 4, a photo of Marc Silcock was used to represent the appearance of the now-deceased Fergal Maguire. Apart from that, there were no recorded scenes in Shameless where Marc Silcock actually portrayed Fergal. The scenes in the first three seasons of Shameless which included a third Maguire boy was just some uncredited actor or actors. Fergal was never formally identified until the writers needed a use for him. --Fenrir51 (talk) 13:37, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Problem solved then, that's why Wikipedia (and we) have Marc Silcock down as playing Fergal. -- Lyco499 (talk) 21:50, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, there was one scene in series 4 where Marc Silcock portrayed Fergal on screen. It was at Jamie's welcome home party, with all the Maguire's in the kitchen. Fergal is only shown very briefly though, once when they all join glasses, and then once briefly going up the stairs in the background. It's not a lot to go on, considering his screen time is less than the time it takes for someone to basically sneeze, but it's something anyway. Jiemusu89 (talk) 04:27, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The lad with the long, curly hair who appeared at Jamie Maguire's welcome home party in Episode 402. That was supposed to be Fergal? I thought Jamie reversed his innocence plea to get an early release from prison to kill-off Paddy's rivals, Felix Fawcett, Ronny Cohen and 'Zhizhi' Ahmed, who were being assisted by Fergal to eliminate the Maguire family from the competition. I don't quite recall, though, in Episode 408 if Jamie let-on that he knew they killed Fergal, despite looking shocked about it when finding the tattoo on the wrsist of his brother's severed hand in Episode 403. --Fenrir51 (talk) 21:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

What you said is true, Jamie did reverse his plea so he could be released from prison. However I don't think I recalled him saying that he knew Fergal had conspired and recruited Paddy's rivals before being released. Think about what kind of character Jamie is. He'll seem like the kind of competant and proactive character who will act on what he thinks, using his smarts to find out more. So he probably put two and two together, through investigation after he was released, and discovered what Fergal did. I imagine though, due to the dialogue in Episode 403, Jamie may not have known what Fergal did, and generally assumed that a random Maguire brother was murdered in the same way Jamie murdered another family's member (and Felix, Ronny and Zhizhi used the method of the severed hand, because they knew what Jamie did, and seemed like an ideal message), because he seemed surprised that it was Fergal's hand. But after further investigation from Jamie, he discovered after Fergal's death, that Fergal was responsible, leading to why he only told Paddy in Episode 408. Then again it could be that Jamie did know of Fergal's betrayal all along even in prison, but it was vital to his 'cover' that he didn't ACT like he knew it, because he was supposed to be appearing like was going straight, and separate from the family business (and drawing attention to himself would ruin everything). The real query I have with the whole thing, is why Jamie waited till Episode 408 to kill Felix, Ronny and Zhizhi, instead of doing it much earlier. Jiemusu89 (talk) 01:29, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

The only reasons I can think of for him holding off is that he could have been laying low, gathering info and investigating before making a move and/or laying low just incase Felix, Ronny and Zhizhi were on the look out for trouble after his release. -- Lyco499 (talk) 03:55, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that would make sense to me. Otherwise it would seem strange to me, how Jamie could be in the same room as Fergal knowing that he was conspiring against the family. I tend to see it as Jamie knew someone was helping Paddy's rivals, but found out it was Fergal later after his death, but still needed to keep quiet about what he knew was going on before he found out more. I assume so anyway.  Jiemusu89 (talk) 13:38, January 7, 2013 (UTC)